Login    
   
   
    Register FAQ  •  Search    

· Home ·   Forums ·  Who Are We? ·  What is Open Carry? ·  CCDW Process ·  FAQ ·  Contact ·  Terms ·

It is currently Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:40 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 38 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Upcoming DNREC Public Hearings- firearms possession
PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:30 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:59 am
Posts: 1246
Location: Bear
Won't be able to attend so I sent Lisa Vest an email.

Please everyone do this.

_________________
“I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children can live in peace.” -Thomas Paine


 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: Upcoming DNREC Public Hearings- firearms possession
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:00 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:20 pm
Posts: 524
Location: Newark
IMO it was a sad turnout for the pro gun argument however the anti gun group had no issues showing and touting their Ignorance! Too may keyboard warriors! But rejoice their is a battlefield for you this time!
People can also submit comments opposing regulations through March 27 by emailing lisa.vest@state.de.us or by mailing Lisa Vest, Hearing Officer, 89 Kings Highway, Dover, DE 19901.

One lady Made a point accurate or not. I don’t believe it is. That the minority of people carry guns and the majority don’t, so why are they catering to the majority. By you all not showing up made her point appear valid in her libturd mind! Way to go!

_________________
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety
Delaware CCDW


 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: Upcoming DNREC Public Hearings- firearms possession
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:57 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:23 pm
Posts: 1610
Location: Newark DE
rosco87 wrote:
IMO it was a sad turnout for the pro gun argument however the anti gun group had no issues showing and touting their Ignorance! Too may keyboard warriors! But rejoice their is a battlefield for you this time!
People can also submit comments opposing regulations through March 27 by emailing lisa.vest@state.de.us or by mailing Lisa Vest, Hearing Officer, 89 Kings Highway, Dover, DE 19901.

One lady Made a point accurate or not. I don’t believe it is. That the minority of people carry guns and the majority don’t, so why are they catering to the majority. By you all not showing up made her point appear valid in her libturd mind! Way to go!


It was good seeing ya there last night! While I do agree that the anti2A crowd was out in force, there was also a stout defense by the pro2A group, I thought. I opted at first not to speak b/c I didn't have any notes prepared and I was 15 mins late because I couldn't find the place... but at the end after hearing all of the anti2A'ers regurgitating their media generated rhetoric and false information, I was fired up enough to at least say something in protest which appeared to be what happened with a few of us. I was kicking myself all the way home last night over that missed opportunity but after talking to my wife, she agreed it probably was good that I didn't. Like the gentleman that was sitting in front of me, I would've exhausted my 3 mins in a futile emotion-fueled reply directed at the antis instead of making a point directly towards DNREC and their proposals. The latter is much more needed than another pointless argument with the liberal minded morons. Even though they only allotted 3 minutes per speaker last night, I guarantee that my emailed submitted comments will take them much longer than 3 minutes to read!


BTW, I thought I had you on Facebook but I guess not. Shoot me a friend request when you get a minute.

_________________
Your life is made up of 2 dates and a dash... make the most of the dash!


 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: Upcoming DNREC Public Hearings- firearms possession
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:43 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:49 am
Posts: 113
I've put in a comment on the regs by email. It focused on the following points:

1. The list of designated areas where non-licensed open carry is banned is overbroad. I made the point that for most of these places, there isn't security like there is at a courthouse, and for similar venues in the rest of the state, there's no prohibition on open carry. I also pointed out that the Supreme Court's opinion refers expressly to a "right to have a firearm for defense of self and family while camping overnight in a State Park." Hard to see how designating "camping areas" as cops-and-CCDW-holders-only is consistent with that.

2. The disparate treatment of CCDW holders and people who hold licenses from other states doesn't make much sense. It's straight-up inconsistent with the reciprocity statute (11 Del. C. sec. 1441(j)), which talks in terms of "full faith and credit" and "otherwise honor[ing] and giv[ing] full force and effect" to permits issued by reciprocal states. It's also arguably inconsistent with the reciprocity agreements that I was able to find online (found the ones with Texas and Ohio). And if reciprocity exists, that means the Attorney General has determined that licensure in those states "affords a reasonably similar degree of protection as is provided by licensure in Delaware."

3. Not really a legal comment, but I closed off by saying that it sure looks like these regs are an effort to get as much restriction as possible in, given what the Supreme Court said, out of fear of non-licensed open carry. On that point, I simply urged a change of mindset. The law-abiding gun owning community, whether CCDW-licensed or not, is basically good people and should be regarded as a positive, not a negative, for public safety.

I didn't point out to them that the way the regs are written, CCDW holders (and cops, of course) don't have to carry concealed if we carry in the designated areas. We're just allowed to "carry." So, ah, if they go through with this, maybe we should get a few dozen CCDW holders to open carry in a designated area, which would be perfectly OK and would also probably not even be noticed by the park-going public. Civil disobedience that isn't even disobedience, you know.


 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: Upcoming DNREC Public Hearings- firearms possession
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:03 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:23 pm
Posts: 1610
Location: Newark DE
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

_________________
Your life is made up of 2 dates and a dash... make the most of the dash!


 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: Upcoming DNREC Public Hearings- firearms possession
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:09 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:03 am
Posts: 137
RE: Proposed DNREC and DAg. Gun Rules

Mr. Janes:

This will acknowledge receipt of your comments below, which I have now incorporated into the formal hearing record being generated in this matter. All comments bear the same weight, whether they are offered verbally at the time of the hearing on March 12, 2018, or received via email as yours. Additionally, please note that the hearing record will remain open for comment through close of business on Tuesday, March 27, 2018.

Thank you for your participation in DNREC’s public hearing process.

Lisa A. Vest
Public Hearing Officer
State of Delaware - DNREC
89 Kings Highway
Dover, DE 19901
(302) 739-9042
Fax: (302) 739-1174

NOTE: The views and/or opinions of the authors expressed herein do not necessarily state or reflect those of the Department of Natural Resources and Environmental Control and/or the State of Delaware

Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 11:20 AM
To: Vest, Lisa A. (DNREC); Joseph Janes
Subject: Proposed DNREC and DAg. Gun Rules

I support the Delaware State Supreme Court ruling that a ban on firearms in state parks and forests 'eviscerate a core right to keep and bear arms for defense of self and family outside the home - a right this court has already recognized'.

I am opposed to the proposed DNREC and DAg. rules on guns. As in the rest of the state, law-abiding citizens should be allowed to carry firearms in ALL areas under DNREC and DAg. control. This includes both Open Carry and Concealed Carry (with appropriate license, of course).

For State officials to say 'firearms would essentially be unregulated' is certainly NOT correct ! All applicable state laws would still apply in DNREC and DAg. areas - Felons and mentally ill prohibited from possessing firearms, as well as minors, etc. There would certainly NOT be a greater 'risk of harm from gunfire' than any other part of the state. In fact, the opposite is true. The only risk would be from an armed robber (who would be the only one with a gun under your rules).

Of course, a restriction on DISCHARGE of a firearm is appropriate, allowed only in approved target ranges (e.g. Ommelanden), for self defense, and approved hunting areas.

Thank you for your consideration.


 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: Upcoming DNREC Public Hearings- firearms possession
PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:14 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:30 am
Posts: 96
Location: Milford DE
I have at least sent in an email expressing my concerns. All should at least do that.

_________________
Freedom is not Free....
De. CCDW
Az,Ut,Fl,Ma. CCW
USAF Vietnam Veteran


 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: Upcoming DNREC Public Hearings- firearms possession
PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:07 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:49 am
Posts: 557
Location: NOT Bear - Christiana Area
airman1968 wrote:
I have at least sent in an email expressing my concerns. All should at least do that.


Done.

Dear Ms. Vest,

First off, let me say that as a holder of a concealed carry permit I never walk in anywhere and announce that I am carrying a gun. Concealed, remember? So to be brutally honest I really do not care how this whole thing goes. But as a taxpaying citizen, I would like to ask a question here.

What gives DNREC the right to limit the constitutional rights of citizens here in Delaware? In any fashion? If people do not want to see open carry then THEY should stay home. If my friend wants to openly carry a weapon to protect his wife and 3 little kids while in the parks, that state constitution allows this. If other citizens don't like this then there is a process to be followed in getting the state constitution changed. But until that happens then he, and others, simply have the right to open carry in Delaware.

As I was not there I would like to answer Sherry Marsico's question from the meeting, “Why am I making room for the 5.2 percent of the population who wants to carry a gun into our parks," she said. Because they are your fellow taxpaying citizens and they have rights and freedoms just like you Sherry.

I realize this is a simplistic view of things but I am a simple man. Thank you for listening.

Delaware Constitution
Article I. Bill of Rights
Section 20. A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use.


P.S.
Not to mix politics here but, once they shove the dope down my throat and make it legal in Delaware, then let's see how many out of state potheads are camped out in the parks.

_________________
"The purpose of the pistol is to stop a fight that somebody else has started, almost always at very short range." -- Jeff Cooper

Image


 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: Upcoming DNREC Public Hearings- firearms possession
PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:18 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:24 am
Posts: 525
i dont reckon it'll do much good, but i sent something in. including section 20.

main focus on ignoring the DSC ruling, most specifically with regard to barring campgrounds as that was discussed in the ruling. and referenced the case against the housing authority. touching the fact the DSC reminds DNREC that criminals ignore laws/regs and disarming only effect the law abiding. I stated that DNREC actions are contemptuous of the DSC ruling that went against them.

also focused on what the meant by "guarded" places? and the definition of guarded. something like this:

Quote:
Also, you make a distinction about possession of firearms at “guarded” places. I am curious as to exactly what that means? What is your definition of guarded? Do you mean a 24x7x365 LEO/ armed police presence? Or do you mean some young lifeguard with an orange “BayWatch” float? Or do you mean a toll booth attendant with a phone? Do you mean one or two armed officer patrolling the entire length of the Delaware Seashore Park, from south Dewey to Fenwick? Does DNREC really think that constitutes guarded? Of do you think the lifeguard with the Bay Watch float will magically disarm a violent criminal? If so, well, again, you are not complying with the DSC ruling. My definition of guarded is this: when I turn around, anywhere, anytime, 24x7x365, I see a DNREC ranger or Delaware State Police officer. As far as I am concerned, if I don’t see a state employee with police powers, the place where I am is NOT guarded. Individuals carrying a firearm legally, in accordance with Delaware Code definition, should be allowed to carry, even encouraged.


also a suggestion on what i think the regulations should be, as opposed to just complaining :
Quote:
To avoid another lawsuit, the time, the expense, and the potential damage, I would propose that DNREC change the rules as follows:
• Firearms may only be possessed in accordance with Delaware State laws for possession and carry of firearms.
• Discharge of firearms is prohibited, except in accordance with permitted events and activities.

Also express that i am the person that has interest in protecting me. other, civilians or .gov folks, may or may not be there. something like this:

Quote:
The person with the most interest in protecting me, is me! Let me bear arms in accordance with Section 20. It seems that in most instances, nearly all, police show up 5, 10, 15, or more minutes later. In most cases, they could make better use of a mop than a firearm.
As a legally armed individual, I may or may not be able to stop such an event, but as an unarmed individual up against an armed adversary, my chance is almost none. I want the chance, the opportunity, to mount an effective defense, if evasion is not an option. I may or may not succeed at evasion or resistance, but at least I had the best opportunity to try.


 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: Upcoming DNREC Public Hearings- firearms possession
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:52 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:24 am
Posts: 525
As an aside, for the last part, about legal pot.

A am currently going through the renewal process at home, where recreational pot is legal in state.

The form clearly says any pot user is NOT allowed a ccp. Period. Ditto purchase. Some argue, with a slight tin foil view, that it's another way for the anti gun crew to make folks "persons prohibited"

Maybe that's a little overboard, but it does seem that most of the states are heavy a2a and pro pot. More so the ones that go for recreational pot.

NCC wrote:
...
P.S.
Not to mix politics here but, once they shove the dope down my throat and make it legal in Delaware, then let's see how many out of state potheads are camped out in the parks.


 Profile  


Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 38 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot] and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


phpBB skin developed by: John Olson
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group