Mr.Skellington wrote:Heres a list of flaws to your position
1. You assume that the XD wants to be a Glock or that its a clone... its not.
2. You believe that people are impressed with the appeal to popular opinion, that is, Glocks are popular therefore they must be the best. I'm not persuaded by that or an appeal to authority (a expert likes a glock therefore its the best and so forth). You have to show me technically and empirically why the Glock is the end all be all of the firearms world. The are great however so is the 1911 and yet it has been widely replaced in use by more tolerant and reliable firearms. Don't be so fool hearty to think a Glock can't be surpassed, all things can be improved (unless you've been hopelessly inundated with the "Glock Perfection" slogan).
3. You tossed out the position that Glock is the better than ____ so it is not the responsibility of I or anyone else to support that position and no I'm not going to do your homework for you by googling it. You put it out there now back it up.
The XD takes features of several favorite firearms and merges them to produce IMO a fantastic pistol which can run with the best of any firearm on the market. Just so you know I do acknowledge glocks performance and would be comfortable with one on the nightstand but not on the pedestal many place it. Firearms have changed since glock improved upon the polymer frame design of the HK VP 70 pistol. They have changed so much that Glock isn't the only show in town. Glock can boast about its longstanding reliability record which it has earned but other manufactures are currently producing pistols that are just as good if not better in terms of taking punishment and meaningful features. In time they will have the same record (although never as longstanding as glock which started earlier). The reason for the widespread use of glock by various agencies is debatable especially since the U.S doesn't even select the best performing weapons for issue, they select the most cost effective which meets the minimum requirements.
If you want to fiercely debate this your welcome to but bring facts, proof of technical superiority and keep the everyone else likes it stuff for a different guy.
Really. I posted all the military units and mentioned all of the LEO's that use them because THEY test them against the others, THEY decide what is best for them. Those are facts. Those are not opinions. The fact that MANY professionals around the world choose Glock and not XD's are facts, not my opinion. And the point was at the end of the day the Glock is still superior. How long has the XD been around now? 10 years? If they are such a superior product that meshes all of theses great designs, yet somehow still remain unique, Isn't that long enough for them to have maybe started making it into service somewhere other than assaulting the bench at the gun range? The fact that they haven't speaks VOLUMES.
Plain and simple, Gaston Glock's design while ugly and basic (part of what makes it great), was made with combat and service in mind. That is all. It was made to be rugged reliable and no matter what conditions it was in, when it is needed it goes bang. It was made to be picked up and easily fired. It was made so that ANYONE can learn to use it, apply it effectively, maintain and quickly disassemble. It's everything that is needed in a combat hand gun and nothing that isn't. That is what makes it great and technically superior, it was and still is the benchmark. Yes, XD's are a Glock clone. They have tried to "improve" upon Gaston Glocks design of a polymer pistol. This debate is really over man, XD lovers are always trying to make a case for their weapon that is still UNPROVEN where it counts, and that IS a FACT. Until the XD or any other handgun for that matter surpasses what Glock has achieved as the go to duty pistol, whatever you say really holds no merit. When the fighters of the world throw down their Glocks and pick up something better, then maybe I'll start to listen. I personally choose to carry a weapon who's reputation is it's resume, not a weapon that you have to make a case for.
You say that I choose Glock because it's popular, therefor, so should everyone else. Your so blinded by wanting all of this hard data and "facts" that you can't see what is right there in front of you. I, nor anyone else who chooses a Glock, it's not because of popularity, it's because of what makes the weapon so popular. I choose Glock because they are affordable. You get extremely reliable performance and accuracy for that cheap price. Parts and people who can fix them are WIDELY and WORLDLY abundant. Sometimes I think, Glock is a victim of it's own success when it comes to people who really have no knowledge of weapons and what makes the Glock so popular. They always hear about glock, glock, glock. Then they pick one up and it is this ugly, basic, weapon with no fancy stuff or, to the untrained eye, visible safeties. So for a lack of appearance or gimmicks, they think it's not all it's cracked up to be, they can't wrap their mind around something so basic being so heralded. We associate greatness with flash and appearance and accessories, not simplicity. I'm willing to bet that if you were to send 10 people with ZERO firearms knowledge into a gun store, and the only thing laying there was a Glock19 and a XD-M 9mm and told them to choose which weapon was better, I bet just from sheer looks and accessories 9-10 would prob choose the XD. Then I would like to choose 10 more people with the same amount of knowledge and let someone make a case for the XD, and then let someone make a case for Glock, and then let those people choose, I'd be curious to see the results.
You see your not thinking outside of the box. You do not think like a warrior. I know that I can go to just about any shitty corner of this globe and there will be Glocks, and parts to fix them. XD sure as hell can't say that. That's a fact that matters. People see this new weapon come along, you see how it is supposedly better in every way, they show you some cool features, show you that it has a grip safety, that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, it's not one of those evil dangerous Glocks. Oh goodness it has the grip angle of a 1911, but field strips far easier! I mean they say it was MADE for the human hand, omg when you pick it up they're right! It feels like an extension of my arm! This has got to be the best handgun in the world!!! They stamp the Springfield name on it And you jump on it and you believe in this weapon with all that your heart and soul possesses because you know it is has proven itself to be an efficient and reliable weapon on the battle field and on the streets! Oh wait. No it hasn't.... In 10 years it hasn't been proven, anywhere... It hasn't been proven anywhere other than in some videos and in some magazines. Well wait a sec, if it's so awesome why don't the professionals see this as well, and arm their selves with this superior weapon? Oh wait they have tried it? They do know about it? Well I'm confused? Why are they still choosing Glock time and time again? XD's are better and offer so much more, why can't they see that! Well maybe the XD's need another 10 years for people to finally wake up and then maybe the fighters of the world will start using them.
Look man, the technical "superiority" and data compiling and facts that you need to prove to you is so weak and paper thin, of course that is what your gonna say, because that is all you and the XD has to lean on, torture test, design, bullshit manufacturer technical data, oh give me all this technical proof of why glocks are so great, blah blah blah blah. Technical data counts for shit in the trenches. Then when I don't do my "home work" as you say, when I don't give you all these stats, I just give you REALITY, than that obviously proves that your right! PUUULEASE!!!! If REAL WORLD use and abuse isn't enough proof for you, The fact that after everyone trying to knock glock of as the most popular combat handgun in the world throne, and after 20+ years, it still hasn't happened, isn't enough proof for you, the fact that XD has had ten years to make a place in the professional community and still hasn't done it isn't enough proof for you, than I don't know what to say. Your wanting numbers and stats and tech specs, why? It means nothing. They are numbers on paper. Do you know how many things look amazing on paper but just don't make the cut in the real world (this years Eagles...)?
Most people want real world data, yeah it looks good on paper and it passes all the tests but whats it done where it counts? And that is where the XD doesn't measure up, it never will. And there is nothing that you can bring to the table to make it measure up. You and the 1911 dude keep asking me to prove why the Glock is so great, I have given all the proof in the world! Glocks are already PROVEN, and CONTINUE to prove, there IS, nothing else to prove. But neither of you has yet to bring anything tangible to the table to make a case for your weapons. The 1911 has way more going for it in terms of history and being proven in battle than the XD, so he has a lot to back up his theory but chooses to flounder. And you WILL not be able to show anything REAL to back up the XD except for 10 years of excuses of why it's better than Glock. Show ME something, one person who says, I have seen the XD baptized by fire and it came out on top on the battle field. Just because a hand full of PD's use them, that doesn't mean that they are proven. I'm just the type where real world proof goes a long way when it comes to choosing weapons that I'm putting my life on, not opinions and stats. This is the way I choose to back up my claim towards Glock, and if real world proof is not good enough to make a case for something, than sorry, but that's what your getting. Again you still have brought nothing in terms of why the Glock, is NOT so great, and why the XD and others is. And I bet you will have a real hard time doing either. I don't want technical data, because it means NOTHING. Show me REAL PROOF!