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 #105975  by Kuntryboy816
 
Gun control groups accused of ‘swatting’ open-carry permit holders, putting lives at risk
By Perry Chiaramonte
• Published September 01, 2015 • FoxNews.comFacebook0 Twitter0 livefyre Email

Second Amendment groups are accusing the gun control lobby of putting law-abiding owners of firearms in danger by urging people to call the police on anyone carrying a gun in public.

As more states relax rules about open-carrying of guns, the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence has taken to social media to urge the public to assume gun-toters are trouble, and to call the cops on anyone they feel may be a threat.

“If you see someone carrying a firearm in public—openly or concealed—and have ANY doubts about their intent, call 911 immediately and ask police to come to the scene,” the group wrote on its widely followed Facebook page. “Never put your safety, or the safety of your loved ones, at the mercy of weak gun laws that arm individuals in public with little or no criminal and/or mental health screening.”

That approach, according to a blog post by Ohio-based Buckeye Firearms Association, could give rise to needless, tense confrontations between police and gun owners. The association and other similar groups liken the tactic to “swatting,” or the act of tricking an emergency service into dispatching responders based on a false report. Many online harassment campaigns have been known to participate in the practice.

“This practice is exactly what they [Coalition to Stop Gun Violence] are doing,” said Erich Pratt, spokesman for Virginia-based Gun Owners of America. “It’s one thing if someone is using a gun in an illegal or unlawful manner. No one is questioning that. But this clearly sounds like swatting.”

“They are inciting their radical base to turn their own neighbors in.”

- Erich Pratt, Gun Owners of America
Pratt adds that it may be a move of desperation by those looking to get guns off the streets.

“Anti-gun advocates are clearly frustrated. They want guns banned,” he said. “But they have been thwarted in the past, so they are looking for alternative means.

“They are inciting their radical base to turn their own neighbors in.”

It is not the first time supporters of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and other gun control advocates have pressed for the public to call cops on legal gun owners. An October 2014 National Review article found that the Facebook pages and websites of groups including the coalition, Moms Demand Action and GunFreeZone.net included numerous comments from the public advocating that people call the police and intentionally exaggerate what they see in the hopes of getting cops to stop those open-carrying guns.

Open carry rules, in one form or another, are legal in every state except for five—California, Florida, Illinois, New York, and South Carolina, as well as the District of Columbia. However, many states that do permit open carry have put in place stringent laws that require some sort of permit or license.


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Expand / Contract In this august posting on their Facebook page, the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence urges the public to call the cops on any legal open carry gun owner that they feel may be a threat. (Buckeye Firearms Association)

The main issue that gun advocates have with the Coalition’s tactics is the potential of putting law-abiding citizens in real danger. Officials for the anti-gun group say that this is not the case.

“In an era in which individuals are being allowed to carry loaded guns on our streets with no permit, background check or required training, it is common sense for concerned citizens to call 911 when they see an armed individual whose intentions are unclear,” Ladd Everitt, director of communications for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence said in a statement to FoxNews.com. “These [open carry] laws guarantee that we—and law enforcement—will have no idea about the criminal and/or mental health background of these individuals until they actually commit a crime; and by then it could be far too late. We have full confidence in our men and women in blue to assess these situations.

“Gun-toters who are truly law-abiding and mentally competent have nothing whatsoever to worry about. Their conversations with law enforcement will be brief and professional,” he added. “As for those who are dangerous and have something to hide which would not withstand the scrutiny of a background check or permitting process, they should expect to face some tough questions as a result of these 911 calls. And that makes us all safer.”

But the Buckeye Firearms Association believes the effort amounts to "conspiring to obstruct legal justice.”

Pratt agreed, and said people who call the police without legitimate reason should be charged.

“They would likely be the ones arrested for filing a false report,” he said. “And we are certainly hoping that would be the case.”
 #105976  by Kuntryboy816
 
So, every time I see one of the anti-gun fools get into their car, pick up a kitchen knife, out in public w/ their golf clubs, etc. I should assume that they are up to the worst and call the police and report a dangerous person not conforming to my definition of normality?? Do they know how stupid they sound??? :banghead:

I don't play golf... I'm not accustomed to seeing a person with a golf club... I don't know that persons qualifications to use it or their mental state... SWAT!

That person has a knife in their hand... are they qualified to use it... what's their current mental state... SWAT!

Look at that driver in the other vehicle... I think they are intending to cause others harm... do they have a license... they look mentally unfit to operate such a dangerous thing... SWAT!

:sparring: :poed: :sparring: :poed:
 #105978  by stephpd
 
Kuntryboy816 wrote:
Open carry rules, in one form or another, are legal in every state except for five—California, Florida, Illinois, New York, and South Carolina, as well as the District of Columbia. However, many states that do permit open carry have put in place stringent laws that require some sort of permit or license.

Open carry is legal in Md and NJ?
Was I pulling a Rip Van Winkle and slept though this?
 #105981  by NormH3
 
stephpd wrote:
Kuntryboy816 wrote:
Open carry rules, in one form or another, are legal in every state except for five—California, Florida, Illinois, New York, and South Carolina, as well as the District of Columbia. However, many states that do permit open carry have put in place stringent laws that require some sort of permit or license.

Open carry is legal in Md and NJ?
Was I pulling a Rip Van Winkle and slept though this?
Not sure about Joisey but apparently Maryland has no distinction between OC or CC as long as you can procure a rare permit to carry.

EDIT: After a quick check NJ appears to be the same. My guess is not many, if any, have tested this in either state.
 #106121  by rmac
 
I work in NJ. Jersey is off limits for OC. You can barely stay within the law transporting firearms to ranges. No unnecessary stops, direct routes, etc.
 #106366  by josephjanes
 
In response to Ladd Everitt of Coalition to Stop Gun Violence's quote "Individuals are allowed to open-carry with no background check" - I would ask him if he heard of the 1993 Brady Bill that required an FBI NICS background check for every gun sold (long and handgun) !!
Problem with anti-gunners is they don't know the laws already on the books, don't seem to want the existing laws enforced (i.e. denied- NICS checks not prosecuted), they just want to make the law books thicker. Like the criminals really read the Federal and State laws before they rob or shoot somebody !!
 #106367  by 2xTony
 
My girl friend is friends with a girl who lives in NJ. Her husband is always inviting me to come to some range over there he has a membership to. Im not even sure most of the weapons and ammo i own are even allowed to new jersey
 #106368  by CorBon
 
2xTony wrote:My girl friend is friends with a girl who lives in NJ. Her husband is always inviting me to come to some range over there he has a membership to. Im not even sure most of the weapons and ammo i own are even allowed to new jersey
If the gun shoots a projectile, and the projectile is not paint -- probably not.

In fact, and in all seriousness, even something that shoot paints may not be permissible. Without taking the time to look it up, there was that case about two years ago where the person was arrested for having an Airsoft weapon in the yard -- and supposedly not having a permit for it.

Jersey's only legitimate purpose is serving as New Castle County's barrier to hurricanes and typhoons.
 #106377  by Owen
 
CorBon wrote:Jersey's only legitimate purpose is serving as New Castle County's barrier to hurricanes and typhoons.
:lol: